Dunggus and Lembus are excused, eminent academicians and specially Marina Mahathir (whom I will not put in the former two categories out of very deep respect to her Father Tun MM), please take note.
The Star today featured an interview with the Election Commission Chairman, Tan Sri Abdul Aziz Mohd Yusof which addresses the frivolous and deceitful demands of BERSHIT and the bershitting supporters like the daughter of our former PM whose leadership we sorely miss.
BERSHIT can be BERSIH by incorporating the interview as a FAQ on election issues on their website.
The interview as carried by the Star in full,
Sunday July 17, 2011
Beefing up the voting process
By SHAHANAAZ HABIB and RASHVINJEET S. BEDI
The Election Commission and the conduct of elections have come under scrutiny recently. Here EC chairman Tan Sri Abdul Aziz Mohd Yusof addresses some of the issues
Q: How has the interest in elections and the electoral process evolved over the years?
A: In 2008, the number of registered voters was 10 mil while the number of eligible voters not registered was 4.3mil which is quite high.
But now the number not registered has dropped to 3.7mil and registered voters has increased to 12 mil. So based on that indication, I can see there is improvement in terms of interest to register as voters. Secondly, EC has the details of voters on our website so anybody can go to the website, key in their IC number to check if their status as a voter is accurate. They can also check the status of family members provided they know their IC numbers.
If you don't have a computer, you can telephone to find out, or sms or email for an almost immediate response.In the first 15 days in July, 19,000 have checked their details and polling centres. Usually the number is not that high.
Q: Can I check if people I don't know are registered as voters at my address because I wouldn't know their IC number?
A: We are in the process of putting the complete address on the website. Sometimes like in (PKR deputy president) Azmin Ali's case (who found four Chinese voters registered as voters at his mother's address), addresses are very similar. Azmin's mother stays in 1A Kampong Klang Gate Baru but there is also a 1A Jalan Genting Klang Gate close by which is a Chinese house with the same postal code.
There was a slip up when we put the locality because the addresses are so similar. According to Azmin's sister, even today, letters meant for the Chinese house are mistakenly sent to their house and letters for Azmin's mother's house get wrongly sent to Chinese family's house because of the similarity of address.
Q: But doesn't this show that mistakes like this happen?
A: All these happened before July 16, 2002 where anybody can register anybody at any address back then. I can bring 20 others to register and the officer will ask them what address they want to use and register them as voters at that particular address. That resulted in some addresses having 20 or 30 registered voters. Sometimes it is also because the house was rented out (and tenants used the rented house address to register as voters).
There was this one address in Penang a no 1155, where 88 people used that address to register as voters. When we checked, we found it is a squatter area with only one legal shop house which is the no 1155 so everyone who lived in the area used that address.
This is not something planned by EC that made many people stay in one house or have the same address but it happened.
After July 16 2002, they can't do that anymore because they have to use the address on their IC. One problem is many Malaysians don't live at the address stated in their IC. Under the constitution, the place you cast your vote should be the place where you live. If I live in Shah Alam, I shouldn't go back to Penang or my hometown to vote.
I estimate about 30 to 40% of our voters live somewhere else but vote somewhere else.
I have no power to force them to vote where they live. The most I can do is explain and persuade them to change the address with the National Registration Department (NRD). This is not hard to do. All they need to do is bring their utility bill to show where they are staying and the change of address will be made.
Q: But sometimes people feel attachment to their hometown and want to go back to cast their vote. Surely that is okay?
A: That shouldn't be. Under the NRD law, if you live in one particular area more than 3 months, you should change your address. Once you change your address, you tell EC. We don't it automatically.
You know why? Because we don't want it to be abused and misused. So an individual should do it by himself by filling in the Borang A' . We don't want the situation to be like before 2002 where anybody can register anybody and anybody can change the address of anybody.
Q: What is the problem of people voting somewhere else?
A: No problem but people say these are phantom voters. That is the perception they create. Both Barisan Nasional and Pakatan Rakyat say there are phantom voters on the electoral roll. For example, in the Permatang Pasir by-election, there were accusations there are 3,000 phantom voters. But the accusers cannot name these people or trace them. When we checked, these people are not phantom voters but legally registered voters. When they moved somewhere else, they didn't change their address and didn't inform EC. If they don't change the address or inform us of the change, how would we know?
Q: People move to the city to cari makan but ultimately they want to return to their hometown to retire so the attachment is still strong with where they come from and they want to vote there?
A: But the law is law. You can't put sentiment there. The only thing here is that we don't enforce that law. If there is any election or by-election, there are massive traffic jams back to the state where people go back to vote.
Q: Why is it so dififcult to clean the electoral roll?
A: Under the law, EC can't clean information of a voter such as changing the address, name, gender, status of citizenship without his consent. Those changes must be done by the voter himself. He has to fill up the changes in Borang A', sign it and submit the form. And if people die and don't inform the National Registration Department (NRD), how would we know they are are no longer around? If somebody is poor and dies without property or assets, the next of kin doesn't bother to let NRD know of the death.
If they inform NRD, we automatically will get to know because we are work very closely with the NRD. If a relative of a dead person doesn't report to NRD, NRD can't update the information. When I was the permanent secretary of Home Ministry, I asked the NRD DG at that time to cut out the names of people aged 150 and above but he told me under the law he can't do that because NRD needs a report of the death.
But I said come on lah use common sense'. If the person is supposed to be 150 surely he is already dead. Now, they do remove those aged 150, 140, 130, 120. But when it comes to about 110 NRD has to be careful because these people might still be alive.
There were cases where based on NRD information, we deleted the voter's name from list but on polling day they came who said I am dead?'.
It happened to even the wife of a former minister. Tan Sri Leo Moggie's wife kena. You know why that happens? Because there are thousands with the same or similar names.
There are 28 Abdul Aziz Mohd Yusof spelt exactly like my name and I haven't even included those who go by Aziz Yusof, Abdul Aziz Yusof. So imagine how many Aminahs or Hasnahs there are.
Sometimes with the elderly, we tried looking for the person but the home is no longer there it might have become a petrol station and no one in the area knows where the person is.
So we depend very much on a relative to report a death to the NRD and for that information to come to us. Do not confuse this with the burial permit which is issued by the police. A burial permit is not a death certificate. It would be ideal if the police would work with NRD on deaths.
Q: How clean is the electoral roll?
A: It's difficult to give a percentage. I can't say it's 80 or 90% percent. I admit the electoral roll is not perfect and that's why we always display the electoral roll so that people can check the names. It's transparent. They can see the information online, phone us, sms or email for an almost immediate response. I dare not give the percentage because I don't know if the detail of each and everyone registered voter is correct. Typically Malaysians like to wait till the last minute to check their details.
Q: A court hearing the election petition on the Likas 1999 election declared it null and void because there were illegal immigrants and those convicted of IC fraud on the electoral roll yet in the 2004 election, those names are still on the roll? Why wasn't that cleaned?
A: Really? I really do not know about that. If the IC is all fake, sure we have to get rid of those names. Because once we get the details, we check with NRD whether the names are there or not. If NRD says the name is there and the IC is genuine, we have to retain it.
But if we find the IC is not genuine and the IC number is not correct and belongs to somebody else belongs to somebody else, then the name will have to be dropped.
Q: In Sabah, there are cases where illegal immigrants are given an IC to vote, paid some money and after they vote return the IC to the party which gave it to them which would use it again?
A: I do not know about this.I wouldn't know how these people get the names and IC numbers because they have to be working closely with NRD. If that happens, this means these people are impersonating someone else. That's why we need the biometric system because then they can't get away with such a thing. Sometimes these are just allegations and when we ask for evidence and check, the ICs are genuine.
Q: What do you say to those who say that EC is in cahoots with NRD to make sure that the ruling party wins the elections?
A: I don't agree. The role of EC is to register voters. To register with us, they must have genuine IC. Before we confirm the application, we check with NRD's agency link up system (alis) if the the applicant is genuine. If it's not genuine, we reject it. Even after everything is confirmed, we display the names in public for one week in over 1,000 places. If there are objections, we will have a public hearing where we call the one who objected and the person being objected. Those who live there can complain I have never see this name, this address or person in this area'.
Q: In 2007, blogger and journalist Ahiruddin Atan aka Rocky's Bru who has never registered as a voter or voted in an election found his name and IC as a registered voter with an address in Perak in the electoral roll when he has never even lived there. How do such things happen?
A: Maybe somebody used his IC and his particulars. To encourage people to register as new voters, EC has appointed assistant registrars to help. We are the only EC in the world that appoints political parties to assist us in registering new voters.
We appoint an average of 2 assistant registrars for each state seat. Because they have an interest, they work very hard to register new voters.
They fill up the forms, get them signed and submit these to us. But whether that application is approved will depend on the EC. And we will check with NRD if the information is correct.
About 40% of the applications at state level are not genuine. The registered voters are dead, underaged or are already registered voters. A lot of people simply register. Even NGOs too do this. It is tiring for my director to check and re-check. We pay RM1 for each clean confirmed registration so these people think they can just fill up and submit the forms and get the money.
Q:Some argue that EC shouldn't franchise voter registration because this open the system to abuse?
A: That is why it takes 3 months to verify the registration and then a month and a half to display it.
The fact is political parties help us a lot in registering new voters. They make up the highest number compared to government departments, compared to universities, youth organisations, NGOs. EC does voter registration ourselves through our office, through our outreach programme but the response is not very good.
We also go for Jom Heboh, and sometimes political parties ask us to come to register voters and we do.
But it is difficult for people to come forward to register as voters. This has to do with attitude.
They ask themselves what benefit they get by registering as a voter. They ask what happens to them if they don't register and when they find out no action is taken they leave it as it is.
Only those who really love the country and would like to choose their own leaders would register as voters voluntarily.
That is why we make the process easy and simple. They can go to the post office, youth bodies, universities, colleges, government departments, NGOs and political parties.
When I mention in the EC seminars that political parties help us register voters, other EC are astounded.
But I am very happy with it because although my officers have to work very hard to get all the details but in terms of numbers, we get the highest numbers from political parties.
For May, 52% which is more than half of the new registration came from political parties.
We have to get rid of the names which are not genuine.
That can be quite tedious. But even after doing that, they are still the highest. The second is the post office, then our office counters, followed by government department, NGOs, youth organisation etc.
If they submit 1,000 names and after we clean up and verify, we find only 600 names are genuine new voters, then we pay them RM600 which is RM1 for every clean genuine new voter.
Q: In every election, there are complaints from voters they have been transferred to another voting constituency. EC has said nobody has the power to change address except for the voter himself but how come this still keeps happening?
A: Legally speaking, nobody can change your address. But sometimes there is a wrong locality. For example, a voter might think he stays in a particular constituency but in actual case the area he lives in falls under another constituency.
For example in the Hulu Selangor by-election, there was a group of people who thought they stay in Hulu Selangor.
They have voted in Hulu Selangor for a number of elections but when we use Geographic Information System (GIS) which is a computerised system, they do not come under that constituency. In the past, rivers or roads were used for demarcation but when we introduced GIS, we discovered in terms of locality these voters are in the wrong place.
For example, a voter might live in Gombak or Selayang and pay his water bill there but he is a voter in Hulu Selangor. That's wrong.
We find there are a number of such cases and EC has the power to correct these errors. There are a lot of this in Perak, Penang and Malacca.
And by correcting the error, the person might end up as a voter in a different constituency.
But because this is very sensitive, the EC has decided to hold off correcting these errors until after the next redelineation exercise.
The EC does not need to do the redelineation immediately. Once we start on the redelineation, we have to complete it within two years.
But with next general elections having to be called less than 2 years time, we have decided to wait until after elections to do the redelienation. Because if we start to do the redelineation and the PM decides to ask for parliament to be dissolved and for election, then we are caught. If the correction still means that the person votes in the same constituency but is in a different polling centre, then we will go ahead with the correction, and inform the political leaders, the kampong leaders and the affected voters.
Q: In 2007 Bersih asked for electoral reforms. Fast forward 4 years later, Bersih is still asking for electoral reform. Why is EC so slow to act?
A: It is not easy to clean the electoral roll. EC can't change the particulars of any voter so we have to depend entirely on voters to come forward and change whatever wrong information.
They can't change the address online because we are afraid it will be misused so they have to be physically present at the EC counters or the post office to make the change.
Bersih, tell me how else to clean the roll.
I told (Bersih 2.0 chairman) Datuk S. Ambiga when we met last year to help us encourage people to register and to ask voters to update their information. She wanted to see me again in March and April but because of by-elections and the Sarawak state elections, we were very busy. In this parliamentary term, there have been 16 by-elections.
And when Bersih comes to meet us, it is not just two or three people who show up but a whole group of them. So I too have to bring a number of senior officers and panel members to attend the meeting. So I asked them to hold on until after the Sarawak state elections but they seemed to think that the general election is so close and decided to go to the streets to demonstrate.
Q: The Sarawak state election was months ago but the Bersih rally was on July 9, why didn't you meet them after the elections?
A: Because we didn't get any request from them. They were planning demonstrations.
Q: It's been 4 years since their demand for electoral reforms and you mention cleaning up the roll, what about Bersih's other seven demands?
A: When Bersih 2.0 came to see me at the end of last year, they brought 17 demands. We discussed and I explained in detail why automatic registration of voters can't be done and why we can't reduce the voting age to 18 because all this is subject to amendments of the federal constitution. I explained and they reduced the demands from 17 to 8. About 60% of the demands were gone in one meeting.
Out of the eight demands put up by Bersih 2.0, the last four (free and fair media, reforming public institutions, getting rid of dirty politics and corruption) do not come under EC.
Q: You say dirty politics and corruption do not come under EC but Section 10 of the Election Offence Act does have give powers to EC to act against the bribing of voters?
A: Under the act, we can only report. We can't investigate or arrest. When people report to us, we report this to the Malaysian Anti-Corruption Commission (MACC) or the police. To investigate, we need a lot of people trained in the area. But our expertise is registration of voters, carrying out elections and redelineation of election boundaries. How can we investigate corruption?
People these days are very smart and it is not easy to prove that someone is corrupt. Even MACC is often disappointed.
They investigate a matter so long, gather evidence and witnesses but when it gets to court, the case is thrown out.
We report if we find there is a transfer of cash from one person to another and we check at times and we find the recipient isn't even a voter.
In the Hulu Selangor by-election, Barisan made announcements of projects and (the PKR's candidate who lost) Datuk Zaid Ibrahim filed an election petition to have the election declared null and void for corruption. But when it came to court, the case was kicked out. It might seem like bribery but to prove in court is not easy. And you are asking us the EC to handle this? Cannot! This should be done by experts. But even experts have a tough time.
Q: So what kind of offences can EC act on under the Election Offences Act? Dirty politics?
A: What is dirty politics? The only person that can clean politics are politicians. Who makes politics dirty? The politicians.
Because to them, the most important thing is to change the voters' perception. So politicians will say or do anything to get people to believe them. How do you control this?
The only ones who can control it is the politicians themselves.
Q: What about corruption?
A: I don't like corruption. Whoever wins, if there is proof he won by corruption, the results will be declared invalid. But you can't expect EC to enforce this. We don't have an enforcement wing to do this. So we depend on the MACC on matters with corruption because they are trained and equipped. And they mingle around with EC during elections. If there is a corruption matter reported to us, we will report it to MACC.
Q: If EC knows on the ground that a candidate had spent more than maximum expenditure allowed for an election, what can EC do?
A: When we ask, they say that is not the candidate expenditure because it is the party that is paying for it. So what can you do? They throw a dinner and say it is the party's expense.
What a political party can do is bring this up to the court in an election petition,
Q: What do you think of a caretaker government using government machinery and state facilities to campaign?
A: They can't do that. They can't use government helicopters or government cars for campaign.
We mentioned that when we meet the party leaders, candidates and party agents and the code of ethics and the do's and don't during elections. Politicians are politicians. In front of me, they say “okay, no problem Tan Sri“ but that very night they do it anyway.
Both sides are the same because they want to influence the voters as much as possible.
If they adhere to the rules of EC, code of ethics, and the instructions of the police, politics would be very clean.
Q: If parliament is dissolved, does this mean the caretaker PM can't use the government helicopter to go around?
A: He can. His official duties as Prime Minister will still have to go on but what I meant is that ministers when it is not an official function, they can't use the government facilities in campaigning.
That would be wrong. If someone complains, the matter can be brought to court and if there are facts, it is left to the court decide.
Q: But when a minister goes and announces a project, he would claim he is doing it in his official capacity as minister but surely that is campaigning?
A: For example, the Finance Minister announces a few million for a flood eradication problem in Sungai Sibu. Is that corruption? I don't know because it is uncertain if the one who hears it and benefits is a voter. Even if he is voter, it still doesn't mean he will automatically vote for the party that offers this.
For the Sarawak election, there were some who wanted to offer air fares back to Sarawak to voters so that they will cast their vote and I said no that is corruption'.
But my officer said how can you say it's corruption because we use the political parties' vehicles to get voters from their homes to the polling centre'. But I said that is small but the officer said it was the same thing.
So I called by the MACC head to ask if it was corruption and he said if a person gave a voter money to pay for the ticket to go home and insists that the voter should vote for a particular party and provide proof that he voted that way and the voter obliges, that is corruption. But if the person gives the voter money to fly back to Sarawak to carry out his duty as a voter and the voter is free to choose whoever he want, that is not corruption.
And don't forget one's vote is secret. If someone gives money and asks a voter to vote for a particular party and the matter goes to court and the voter admits to taking the money but insists that he voted for the other party and not the one that he was asked to vote for - is that corruption?
Q: Doesn't EC bear responsibility for the July 9 street demonstration because people took to the streets only because EC was dragging its feet on electoral reform?
A: That is perception. Like I said, four of the eight demands do not fall under EC. With regards to free and fair elections, I can't dictate to the media whom they should give coverage to. I did meet the owners of the mainstream media and I did ask them to give media space to the opposition. Then Barisan complains that the alternative media focuses on only the opposition and doesn't give Barisan space.
If I have authority under the law, I can force but I don't have that. So who am I to tell the media?
Persuasion doesn't work. It is up to shareholders and owners of the newspapers.
In comparison, in the Philippines during the elections, the police, army, Attorney-General, the media all come under under the EC chairman. Q: So EC is a toothless tiger?
We have to ask other agencies to assist us.
Q: Can EC can ask parliament to amend the Federal Constitution to allow indelible ink to be used in voting?
A: I have merisik (put feelers out). I know for a fact if we bring this matter up, one group of MPs will oppose it and we will not be able to get the two-thirds majority to change the constitution. So because of that, we proposed something else instead, the biometric system, which is more reliable and hi tech and doesn't require amending the constituition.
And it can get rid of the problem of phantom voters. You scan your thumbprint, it verifies if you are the genuine holder of the IC and once you have voted, you can't vote anywhere else.
And if you bring someone else's IC, it won't match the thumb print in the biometric machine.
Q: There are tens of thousand polling stations so won't you need tens of thousands of biometric machines for elections which would be expensive and not practical?
A: We can keep some of the machines for by-elections. The rest can be handed over to the immigration and Home Ministry to use. But we haven't finalised using biometric. This is our plan. I still think it's the best way to get rid of phantom voters.
Q: If EC can't get the biometric system in place in time for the next general election what system can be put in place to make sure a voter doesn't vote twice?
A: No one has voted twice in an election. There has never been any election petition which claims that voters voted more than once. They want to create perception that EC cannot be trusted. That's all. Based on the 16 by-elections (since the 2008 general election), I conclude that if voters like a candidate or a party that person will win the elections even if the other side gives out aid and development projects.
One example is Bagan Pinang by-election, Barisan put Tan Sri Isa Samad to challenge the PAS candidate and PAS did everything to win the seat. But the voters, regardless of race, like Tan Sri Isa and he won the votes in all streams.
Q: What about reform of postal votes?
A: There make up only 200,000 of the 12 mil voters. For postal voters, the system is very rigid because they have to use three envelopes so there are many technical mistakes that can happen. For the Hulu Selangor election, 150 postal votes were rejected on technical grounds.
We are planning on advance voting where we get the postal voters to gather in one area and allow them advance voting three days before polling day.
Those at the borders where they can't have advance voting because they are manning the borders, we will allow postal votes on polling day itself.
Bersih does not want special postal votes for the army and police but the police and armed forces are of the view that on polling day, they are deployed all over the country to maintain security and public order. I can't force them to go to the polling booth to vote. I have to listen because these concern security matters.
We are also cleaning up the postal votes because some soldiers and police have been transferred.
Postal votes also do not have such a significant impact. There are only 200,000 which makes up only 1.8% of the total votes.
The opposition is so worried about postal votes but in 19 seats with a lot of postal votes, the opposition won 14 of the 19 seats. So it doesn't mean that the opposition loses a seat because of postal votes.
Generally the postal votes do go to Barisan but in Permatang Pauh, 1,367 of the postal votes went to PKR while the Barisan got only 1,002.
They accuse EC of being not democratic and helping Barisan but look at KL, the opposition won 10 out of 11 parliament seats.
Q: EC is proposing that postal votes be cast 3 days in advance but what about suspicion that these ballot boxes can be stuffed?
A: The political parties' agents are there to monitor the balloting. When the polling ends, they count how many ballot papers have been cast and they sign off and sealthe ballot box after that. And it is impossible to cheat or even add an extra ballot paper. If the party agent wants to sit in the lockup and sleep with the ballot box to guard it until it is taken to be counted, he is free to do that.
As for the counting of votes, it is all done at the polling centre on election day. If there is a difference of less than 4% in the margin, the loser can ask for a recount. But this has to be done at the counting centre but not after the result has been sent to the tally centre. In the Sibu and Manek Urai by- elections, Barisan asked for a recount, I said sorry because it was already at tally centre.' It was the same with the Senadin by-election when PKR asked for a recount and this was denied. As I said recounting must be done at the polling centre and not at the tallying centre.
Q: If a Malaysian working abroad is not allowed to cast his vote while civil servants, their spouses, soldiers working abroad and Malaysians full time students in overseas universities are, isn't that denying the right of some to vote?
A: We are quite open and we look at that as something that can improve integrity but the problem is overseas it is very difficult to monitor where they live and stay. Sometimes the ballot paper gets to them only after the elections because we allow candidates to withdraw late. But the impact of overseas postal votes is very insignificant because it is a very small number.
Q: What do you think of a 21 days campaigning period?
A: We are considering that. 14 days might not be enough but don't tie us down to 21 days. In the 1969 riots, there was seven weeks of campaigning and many racial and religious issues close to the heart came up. Even senior leaders of some of the parties asking for 21 days have come and tell me not to give 21 days because it is very tiring and costly.I am looking at a possible 15 days of campaigning.
Q: What do you say to perception that EC takes orders from the ruling party?
A: That's only perception and it's not true. The PM does not even call me. If there are any calls from the ruling party, it is with regards to suggestions and anyone can make suggestions.
Q: What about an independent commission appointing those who head EC so that it is perceived as being truly independent?
A: I have no objections to that. If people don't like me, the King can get rid of me. I am waiting for the memorandum to be handed to the King. But the PAS deputy president Mohamad Sabu has already challenged me saying Bersih would take to the streets again if EC doesn't agree to its 8 electoral reforms demands. They did a street demonstration because they wanted to submit the memorandum to the King and they haven't handed it over to the King. The King is the one who appoints EC and the panel and he has the right to call us and I am waiting for that. My conscience is clear.
Q: Should there be a proportional representation system in election?
A: Ours is the first past the post system and if there is any change to the proportional system it is the government that should change it. I just came from Thailand. I saw the combination of both. I think proportional representation is a good idea where if the party gets 20% of the votes that would be translated into seats and it has a voice in parliament. We are looking into this. For the first past post, if you win by one vote, you take everything.
Q: Aren't free and fair election something good? (My comment..what a ridiculous question but aptly responded by Tan Sri)
A: Yes but are the elections here not free and fair? Aren't Malaysians free to vote whom ever they want. There are many seats where Barisan has not won for years.
In KL, 10 out of 11 seats parliamentary seats were won by the opposition. As for the 16 by-elections, Barisan won eight and the opposition won 8.
In the Sarawak state elections, DAP got a 100% increase in the number of seats it won and PKR a 200% increase.
So does it mean that only if the opposition wins that the election is free and fair? The opposition parties praise us sky high when they win a by election or a seat. But when they lose, they always look for an excuse and a scapegoat.
I think elections in Malaysia is fair. Whoever the voter likes during that time will win.
In 2008, the situation is different from the coming election. The 1999 election result was different from the 2004 general election result. In 2004 election, the results for Barisan under the then Prime Minister Datuk Seri Abdullah Ahmad Badawi was different from the 2008 election which also under Abdullah. Doesn't this show that elections are fair?
If people like the opposition in an election, they will win and vice versa. And if people don't like a candidate, that candidate will lose. It's simple as that.
Will these clear all misconception and rebutt the deceitful BERSHIT and "sophiticated" Marina Mahithir and her ilk are concerned, Joceline Tan writes about?
Dunggus and lembus excepted, the skewed bershitting supporters like the Bar Council, loyarburoks, academicians and pseudos like Marina Mahathir will always want to rub shoulders with each other. To be politically "correct". To maintain that circle of "class" society. The holier than thou and we know it better than and what is good for you superior complex.
Hyper inflated EGOS.
These are the types who will suck up to someone, something, anything for superficial notice to be regarded "high society", ala getting a pic in the Malaysian Tattler.
Hyper inflated EGOS.
And the Fuckatan Coalition and Madam Ambitious are laughing all the way to the next polls.
By the way, while I commend the Star for the interview but as you asked Tan Sri "why didn't you meet them after the elections?", I would ask the Star the same.
Why didn't the Star have such a comprehensive explanation from the EC, to expose the BERSHIT deceit as it had made the dubious demands months ago, and for someone to die before it did?
BERSIH 2.0 For Dummies read here.