Wednesday, February 22, 2012

Anwar Ibrahim - I Feel Good Being Two-Faced

Reported by the most rabid opposition news portal Malaysiakini and carried by Malaysia Today, is Brother Anwar's explanation to Tok Guru Nik Aziz, "Anwar to Nik Aziz: I share Hamas, Fatah view"
"I feel good as I could explain."
I ended my post "Anwar Ibrahim's Support for the PROTECTION of the Security of the STATE OF ISRAEL" thus,
Brother Anwar bin Ibrahim's statement,

"I support all efforts to protect the security of the state of Israel"

means exactly what it means, period.
The Brother agrees with me and would not sue The Wall Street Journal over the report "as it was not wrong".

What was explained by the Brother to PAS spiritual leader, Tok Guru Nik Aziz, must have been magical.

Why so?

From the Malaysiakini report:

Brother Anwar Bin Ibrahim two-faced remark #1

"Hamas leader Khalid Mashaal told me, ‘Brother Anwar, I know the word contingent’. It is clear,"

Brother Anwar Bin Ibrahim two-faced remark #2

"The difference is in the emphasis. PAS is of the view not to have any sort of recognition of Israel... not even negotiation," he said, noting that it is up to Hamas and Fatah to conduct negotiations.

Brother Anwar Bin Ibrahim at his two-faced best, remark #3

"In the end I said I follow the desires of Hamas and Fatah and what was negotiated among them in Doha two weeks ago"
Here are the facts in the face of the Brother's two-facedness.

Fact #1 There are NO contingencies as far as Hamas is concerned as regards to Israel.

The Jerusalem, 19 February 2012, "Hamas, Fatah feud over political platform of gov't"
He stressed that Hamas remained opposed to negotiations with Israel or to making concessions on Palestinian rights, first and foremost the “right of return” for millions of Palestinian refugees to their former villages inside Israel.
Fact #2 Hamas will NOT conduct any negotiations. See Fact #1

Fact #3 What was negotiated between Hamas and Fatah in Doha has got nothing to do with negotiating with Israel. The Hamas and Fatah meeting in Doha was to form a Unity Government and reconciliation between the two parties.
The dispute came as Palestinian Authority President Mahmoud Abbas and Hamas leader Khaled Mashaal made preparations to hold another meeting in Cairo later this week to discuss the formation of a unity government and the implementation of the recent Qatari brokered reconciliation agreement between the two sides.

Even PAS itself in their news portal, Harakah Daily, had an article with a self explanatory title, "Anwar's explanation and the stand that Hamas never took", posted just five days before Anwar was to meet the Tok Guru.

Ah yes, the magical moment you all are waiting for.

It's the Brother's two-face of the two-state.

Remember the Brother's Media Statement?

The one, the Brother eloquently tries to justify his support for the protection of the security of the State of Israel, which must be read together with respecting aspirations of the Palestinians and a two-state policy, which the Brother endorses? Eg,
"This means making real the promise of a viable, independent, sovereign Palestinian state, as part of a two-state agreement that resolves all final-status issues and guarantees security for Israel.”
Unless it is a "non-issue", the two-state policy has....vanished into thin air.

It has disappeared in the Malaysiakini, the Malaysian Insider, the Star, the Sun and eclipsed by the Moon.

If there was such a thing as triple-faced, Brother Anwar Bin Ibrahim will feel even better.

Relevant read "Poll: Palestinians reject 2-state solution"

Hamas tribute to Malaysia

من جهته، أعرب مشعل عن شكره للمواقف السياسية المشرفة التي تتبنّاها ماليزيا المساندة للشعب الفلسطيني، مؤكداً على حرص حماس وسعيها المستمر لتشكيل حكومة الوحدة الوطنية. الوزير الماليزي أكد من جانبه على دعم بلاده تشكيل حكومة وحدة وطنية، مشيراً إلى استعداد بلاده الدائم لمساندة الشعب الفلسطيني

20 comments:

Anonymous said...

Blog Owner,,

"In an April 2008 meeting between Hamas leader Khaled Meshal and former US President Jimmy Carter, an understanding was reached in which Hamas agreed it would respect the creation of a Palestinian state in the territory seized by Israel in the 1967 Six-Day War, provided this were ratified by the Palestinian people in a referendum."

So you people really care about the Palestinian or you are just after AI.

Hashimoto

Freddie Kevin said...

Hashimoto,

Thank you for your comment.

CNN reports "Hamas: No plan to recognize Israel"

"We agree on the [Palestinian] state with the borders of June 4, 1967, Jerusalem as its capital, fully sovereign without settlements, the right of return, but without the recognition of Israel," Meshaal said at a news conference in Damascus, Syria.

http://bit.ly/wcKhgz

If you have read the post correctly see tribute from Hamas link and the commitment of the Malaysian Govt for the well being and true aspirations of the Palestinians.

Being branded anti-semitic for his stand, Tun Mahathir's and his administration's support for the Palestinians, remain unsurpassed even by the Arab and Muslim world world.

Please do some research, then and now, on the Malaysian, especially the Tun's, commitment to the Palestinian cause.

AI is an opportunist who will take any cause to further his personal and selfish ambitions.

Your comments will always be welcome.

Have a nice day.

Freddie

Anonymous said...

Freddie,

Referring to article you linked in your comment,

The facts are as below,

1. HAMAS did negotiate with the west
2. HAMAS willing to have peace with Israel if a referendum were held and Palestinian agreed with the terms of peace.
3. HAMAS have agreed with the border as 1967 thus will in affect agreed to 2 state solution "contingent" upon the acceptance of Palestinian in a referendum.

The terms that stated by HAMAAS that must be acceptable by Israel is,

1. Cease immediately new settlement in Palestinian land.
2. Withdrawal of Isreal forces from 1967 borders.
3. The right of returm for Palestinian refugees that left the country in 1948, part of the land that is now Israel.

FATAH is persistent in pushing for 2 state solution in order to stop more and more settlements in Palestine by Israel.

If you look into these issues, who cares about recognizing Israel or the right of security for Israel.

The important thing is that HAMAS have now agreed with the 2 state solution with "conditions".

Secondly, what is significant is that the right of the Palestinian. This should the main objective.

This is clearly stated in AI statement, the part which have been discarded by some of the media.

Khaled Mashaal, the head of HAMAS met AI last week and he have no problem with this. FATAH of course have a lighter stand on this issue.

So, again I would like to ask,

So you people really care about the Palestinian or you are just after AI.

Hashimoto

Freddie Kevin said...

Hashimoto,

Welcome again.

You said, The important thing is that HAMAS have now agreed with the 2 state solution with "conditions"

Is this not clearly enough?

"Hamas' exiled leader Khalid Meshaal said Monday the militant group has no plans to recognize Israel

"....but without the recognition of Israel"

Unless you allude to

"Earlier in the day, Carter said that Hamas is prepared to accept peace with Israel if the Palestinian people approve any agreement that may be negotiated with the Jewish state."

and take "accept peace with Israel" to mean accepting a two-state solution.

Note that you brought up the Carter-Hamas subject'


At the present, what is going on between Hamas and Fatah is to form a unity Govt and only when the unity Govt has been established will there there be a mandate to negotiate with Israel.

It still does not mean that Hamas recognises the two-state solution.


Disagreements exist between Hamas leaders Mashaal and Haniyeh.

Events unfolding, even this Hamas-Fatah unity negotiations are breaking down.
http://bit.ly/ysCl3L

Turkish perspective in the Hamas-Fatah negotiations.
http://bit.ly/yToKbb

To cut the chase, addressing the the question that is essentially the gist of your comments, which I have already answered,

1. Yes, Malaysians do really care about the plight of the Palestinians

and to put it bluntly,

2. Yes, I "am out to get AI" in your words because AI as PM will lead the country to calamity-socially, politically and economically.


Thank you
Freddie

Freddie Kevin said...

Hashimoto,

Many apologies,

2. Yes, I "am out to get AI" in your words because AI as PM will lead the country to calamity-socially, politically and economically.

should read,

2. Yes, I am out to get AI as in your words "just after AI" because AI as PM will lead the country to calamity-socially, politically and economically.

The error is regretted.

Thank you
Freddie

Anonymous said...

Mr Freddie Kevin,

Once HAMAS have agreed to creation of Palestinian state based on the 1967 border then there will be 2 country.One Palestine and One Israel.

There are Palestinian who do not want that. These are the refugees who reside not in the occupied territory but all over the middle east.

They want to get back their land in now Israel. The Palestinian in occupied territory generally want Independence. Hence the need for referendum to resolve this.

So about your concern of recognizing or not Israel, unless, If we are prepared to go to war with America then all this is meaningless.

Mahmod Abbas, in his bid for Palestinine membership in UN on September 2011 said that what he is doing is not delegitimize Israel as this is impossible but to delegitimize Israel aggression to Palestinian people.

http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2011/09/16/palestine-statehood-bid-mahmoud-abbas_n_966256.html

Most people who are anti-AI are not really into the Palestinian plight, they do not really care about the Palestinian nor do they really want to understand what is going on.

I understand and know that you are really after AI not the well being of the Palestinian.

Go for it. Give it your best shot.

I am like most citizen sitting on the fence. As long as there are two parties fighting for power, we will reap the benefits like we have now unlike the old days.

Hashimoto

Anonymous said...

Your comment,

Yes, I am out to get AI as in your words "just after AI" because AI as PM will lead the country to calamity-socially, politically and economically.

This is political talk. You don't really aspect an educated person to believe that kind of statement do you?

All politician are liars. One side or another.

In a democracy, if one do not perform then we choose another and vice versa. Monopoly is not a good thing, in business as well as in politics. It is that simple.

Hashimoto

Freddie Kevin said...

Hashimoto,

You are chasing your own tail.

As I have said please check for yourself.

MAlaysians as a country and as a people have very deep concerns for the Palestinians.

Lets stop at that.

Your initial comment, was whether I or others are playing up the Palestinian issue just to get at AI.

"I understand and know that you are really after AI not the well being of the Palestinian."

Wow, how much you know!


What you miss is the deception in AI to create all sorts of ambiguous clarifications and justifications to initial ambiguous remarks.

My getting at AI has always been consistent, his deceipt and lack of principle, not his views, policies or opinions whatever they may be from time to time.

If you are not comfortable with that, everybody is entitled to his POV.

If you want to comment on the person AI, lets do it and leave the Palestinian issue aside.

If you want to have a discourse on the Palestinian issue, lets do it and leave AI aside.

When it comes to the Palestinian issue you are damn right,

"So about your concern of recognizing or not Israel, unless, If we are prepared to go to war with America then all this is meaningless."

You understand that. Going further, discussing Israel because it is the main protaganist in the Palestinian issue, would have us all this side of the world branded anti-semitic, which is not the case.

When discussing Israel, in the western world is a win-win, that means you when you take a pro-Israel position. You are rewarded in every sphere.

In this part of the world, it means lose-lose, meaning you never criticise Israel. Even when it commits murder.

You are damn right, no one can go to war with the US, so what if the Israelis commit murder, and you would be put on a blacklist as being anti-semitic and hit with all sorts of sanctions when you are critical and take an opposing view.

Come on Hashimoto, we are not fools in the wider issues.

I say again, you want talk about the Palestinian issue lets leave AI aside.

You want to talk about the two-faced AI, lets leave the Palestinian issue aside.

I hope that is clear enough for you, unlike the two-faced AI.

Thank you and you are always welcome.

Have a good weekend.

Salam
Freddie

Freddie Kevin said...

Hashimoto,

PS

I was privy to this advise by Yasser Arafat,

"Thank you Brother Mahathir for all your support for the Palestinian cause. Do not be so vocal."

What it means is what it means.

Salam
Freddie

Anonymous said...

Freddie Kevin,

I completely agree with you that we should treat the Palestine issue separately with the AI issue.

If you look at the mass media lately which are predominantly one-sided, it is obviously lacking in effort to explain the true dynamics on what is happening in Palestine.

The true motives of the mass media I believe you know.

Lets separate the issue,

First,

What is the problem in Palestine?. A picture is worth thousand words. So please view the image below on Israeli settlement in occupied territory.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/File:Westbankjan06.jpg

Adding to this, there are currently 4 million Palestinian refugees who left their land in the 1948 waiting to return when the everything settled down. It never settled down.

What is the option for Palestinian?

Option one for 2 state solution. Israeli have to pull out from West Bank and Gaza.

Based on the 2002 Arab league summit, the Arab league is ready to recognized Israel if this goes through.

The downside of this is the 4 million Palestine refugees. They own more then 30% of the land in now Israel. Netanyahu said that not one refugee can return.

The second option is to resist as what HAMAS said Do not recognized Israel.

The downside of this is that Israel also do not recognized Palestine as well. Hence, more and more settlement will be built.

Last September 2011, Mahmod Abbas applied for the full membership of Palestine in UN. US vetoed against it.

So, what would you do if you are the Mahmod Abbas or Ismail Haniyeh?

PAS stand on this matter is that the state of Israel state is haram. This is rather simplistic solution to a very difficult problem. He is taking this in a religious perspective but a according to the complete religious verdict, we have to go to war with Israel.

The Arab Nation have done that in 1967.

Yasser Arafat once said, "I am not an Ulama, what I am doing is for benefit of the Palestine people.

As, you can see, the Palestinian do not have a lot of option.

So this talk about the security of Israel or to recognized Israel does not mean anything. The main thing right now is to fine ways to liberate the Palestinian.

This as you know is not printed in the mass media.

Lets talk about AI,

The statement that he made, the first one is not significant, it is the second part that is significant.

I believe AI and most of people who are aware of the problem in Palestine knew that.

Israel will not pull out of the West Bank and Gaza. There is no need for them to do that. They will build up more and more settlements. They can do whatever they wishes as what Netanyahu boast. This is because they got USA behind them.

I understand that you do not like AI very much. Everybody is entitle to his/her opinion.

By all means, fine something to prove that he is not worthy to be a leader.

But this issue is not it.

Freddie Kevin said...

Hashimoto,

Firstly, I must make an assumption that you too have a real desire for a Palestinian solution.

What are the obstacles to a lasting solution? The Jewish lobby and conservative Christian right wing in the US.

This obstacle is an immovable one.

These groups has tremendous influence in US polity to the extent of determining policy both foreign and at home.

The Democratic and Republican parties, dominating US politics and making it defacto a two party system, both have ONE common and incontrovertible stand, upholding the state of Israel.

As an example accoding to wiki http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Christian_right#Origins_of_the_Christian_right_in_the_United_States, the Republican party has always had as it's core support the Christian right. One may say wiki can be edited, that is true, to suit anyone's or any purpose. I refer to the part that states the support of Israel. See the links I provide later.

The neo-conservatives especially with large vested business interests form an influential block, politically, within the Republican party.

The Democrats being liberal almost exclusively subscribe to the Jewish lobby groups and within the ranks, Jewish heavy weights such, as Joe Lieberman.

When matters such as the Jewish make-up comes about, the danger of being branded anti-semitic is a spectre. But as we can see, we are not anti-semitic. It is just to support a position and point of view.

Check these links and it is proof positive. http://bit.ly/z4dcHW and http://bit.ly/wAxah0 and http://reut.rs/vk1dIe and http://bit.ly/zUBTV4

What is the most important tool for US political party and candidate aspirations, success or failure? The mass media.

And which group has the most influence of the media in the US or globally?

You do not have to answer.

While you assert that the local mass media gives a predominantly one sided view, what do you say about the international mass media?

And who has a monopoly on world opinion thru the international mass media by ownership or influence?

You don't have to answer that as well lest you be branded anti this or that and the cliche Jewish conspiracy nut http://gaw.kr/3hcfat

In view of this and one does not have to factor in other considerations, to come to a conclusion that a lasting peace, much less a solution, is a distant hope or even hopeless.

But it does not mean we cannot continue pursue it, solution or peace, and human rights for the Palestinians, and remain silent when criminal and violent acts that result in human lives occur. By both sides Palestinian or Israeli. Violence cannot be condoned by anyone or their proxies.

That being said, almost exclusively, most of the transgressions are against the Palestinian people.

It is here that the Palestinian have the unwavering support of Malaysia and it's people, be it in morale, materially and politically.

As for AI, I pose this to your good self, what is YOUR opinion of AI?

Anonymous said...

Freddie Kevin,

About US policy towards Israel. That is obvious one. It is common knowledge.

There is only 2 option available for the Palestinian. Diplomatic and violence.

In a diplomatic solution, there will be concession. In order for the Isreali to withdraw and compensation given to the refugees, they have to agree on recognizing Israel. The Arab league agreed to that in 2002. (Hence, the statement by AI)

The current progress in Palestinian – Isreali issue is that since US vetoed Palestine membership in September 2011 (although Palestinine received nearly 70% of vote in favour) , in order not to lose face, US along with the west reinitiated the Mideast Quartet consist of US, EU, Rusia and UN to come up with a commitment plan that have to be agreed upon by both parties by end of 2012.

We hope that something good can come up by end of 2012.

As you know, Israeli, as history teach us, have known tendency of breaking the truce. If this happen, If Israel continue to go on building illegal settlement, then, we cannot blame HAMAS or PLO to revert back to violence for liberating themselves.

So, this is my feedback on the issue of Palestine. I have an interest in this topic since, sometime ago, when I studied abroad I lived with a Palestinian and Saudis in the same house in campus.

About the question pose to me about AI. Well, you said the topic should be split. I only relate to his statement to the current issue of Palestine.

Hashomoto

Anonymous said...

Freddie Kevin,

About US policy towards Israel. That is obvious one. It is common knowledge.

There is only 2 option available for the Palestinian. Diplomatic and violence.

In a diplomatic solution, there will be concession. In order for the Isreali to withdraw and compensation given to the refugees, they have to agree on recognizing Israel. The Arab league agreed to that in 2002. (Hence, the statement by AI)

The current progress in Palestinian – Isreali issue is that since US vetoed Palestine membership in September 2011 (although Palestinine received nearly 70% of vote in favour) , in order not to lose face, US along with the west reinitiated the Mideast Quartet consist of US, EU, Rusia and UN to come up with a commitment plan that have to be agreed upon by both parties by end of 2012.

We hope that something good can come up by end of 2012.

As you know, Israeli, as history teach us, have known tendency of breaking the truce. If this happen, If Israel continue to go on building illegal settlement, then, we cannot blame HAMAS or PLO to revert back to violence for liberating themselves.

So, this is my feedback on the issue of Palestine. I have an interest in this topic since, sometime ago, when I studied abroad I lived with a Palestinian and Saudis in the same house in campus.

About the question pose to me about AI. Well, you said the topic should be split. I only relate to his statement to the current issue of Palestine.

Hashomoto

Freddie Kevin said...

Hashimoto,

Violence as a solution is and should never be an option.

It is not only wrong, violence in the past did not have any positive impact on the Palestinian cause, on the contrary it resulted in very negative effect.

As we know, while pro-Israeli mass media disseminates disinformation and hides every Israeli misdeed, it cannot hide everything in this day an age.

Any Palestinian action deemed "trangessions" will be played up and distorted for maximum news impact.

Vested interests are always gleeful of military flare ups between Palestinians and Israelis.

It makes their agenda easier.

Not only in Palestine.

If the Palestinians discard the military solution, state and take an irrefutable stand to pursue peaceful solutions, the Israeli regime and their cohorts cannot put any blame on the Palestinians.

Especially knowing the US and Israel have no compunction to covert activity and aided by the mass media, Palestinians are an easy target for disinformation to achieve desired results.

Disunity and instability in the Muslim world is a necessary condition for these antagonists.

The Palestinian Govt must be united with a common platform.

Not recognising Israel as a State should not mean that the Palestinians have to suffer the consequenses nor can it be an impediment to negotiations.

Let the Israelis/Americans make the first move for sincere peaceful solutions.

Let the Israelis recognise the State of Palestine first.

Let the Israelis respect the rights of the Palestinians first.

Let the Israelis show they are sincere first.

Until that time comes, the whole world knows, and we must continue letting the world know,

The US/Israel regime and their allies are hypocrites, liars, criminals and murderers.

How many Palestinians can they kill?

How many Rachel Corries can they kill?

As for AI, you are disinformed.

Salam
Freddie

Anonymous said...

Freddie Kevin,

About your latest blog entry, since I am not so sure that you are a muslim then perhaps I should tell you.

The term Khalwat in arabic means "isolation or seclusion".

In the perspective of Jabatan Agama Islam when they said , ditangkap berkhalwat means that 2 person , male and female, stay together in isolation.

In this particular case, the term khalwat is not applicable since the daughter is with the woman at the time. In the syariah law, the person involved will not be persecuted unless they are caught performing something which is forbidden.

I am not judging the person, I have no idea what happened, just to let you know the syariah law.

Lastly about the Palestine, there is a strong possibility that the peace plan will fail. It that happened then the diplomatic means failed. We can no longer blame them to use violence or engage a holy war to liberate themselves.

If violence is not an option then Hamas will not won the election.

Sallam

Hashimoto

Freddie Kevin said...

Hashimoto,

I will again say violence can never be an option to force Israel/US to submit to any negotiation.

In fact it will harden the Israeli/US positions.

I had elaborated the reaons.

Yes, the ultimate is liberation but until that is accomplished the welfare of suffering Palestinians are the immediate concerns together with their safety and their security.

It will be a long, long time before the Palestinians will be a free people in an independent Palestine.

But that day will come, for sure.

Your comments and info on Khalwat (within your present comment has been published here, "The Strange Case Of Ustaz Dr Badrulamin Bahron"

Please go over there if you wish to present further comments on the matter.

I am a Catholic in faith.

Salam
Freddie

Anonymous said...

Freddie Kevin,

What I meant by violence is war.

Israel have been occupying Palestine fro more then half of century. If diplomacy break down then violence or war is the only option available.

Violence carried out killing innocent civilian is prohibited in Islam. Terrorism act such as suicide bombing in crowded place is not allowed is Islam.

In Islam, when a muslim land have been occupied, then it is the duty of a muslim to liberate the land either by diplomacy or by force.

The Palestinian will not accept the fate as what had happened to the Red Indians in America where they have to be put in reservations in their on land.

Hashimoto

Freddie Kevin said...

Hashimoto,

I am not a Muslim nor an Islamic scholar but I do read (online) the Koran.

I won't say more than this - in Islam, Allah is all forgiving.

As you said, can you fight an all out war against Israel when the US has it's back?

No, war or violent terror to liberate Palestine is not an option.

Regards
Freddie

Anonymous said...

Freddie,

There are three letters written by Dr. Mahathir to Israeli PM released to the public.

http://www.themalaysianinsider.com/litee/print/malaysia/government-releases-dr-ms-letters-to-israeli-pms/

In these letters, his stand is that Malaysia will recognized Israel if Israel make peace with the Palestinian.

Same thing AI said.

I have my respect to Tun Dr. Mahathir because he knows what is the problem and he sincerely want to help to resolve the problem.

The media however is trying to get AI, they couldn't care less about Palestine nor they want to know about the real problem on the ground.

Finally, about Palestinian liberation.

The Jews, based on 3000 years history claimed that they are the rightful owner of the land. The Jews want that piece of land up to the Jordan river which include the West Bank.

In order to liberate themselves, the Palestinian need to fight for it. Not just the Palestinian state but the Arabs in the middle east.

When confronting with a bully, one do not talk one's way out of it and appeal for the other side better nature.

Thnak you very much for letting me write in your blog.

Sallam

Freddie Kevin said...

Hashimoto,

You are always welcome at my blog.

Catch you later as I am on the train back home.

Salam
Freddie